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I believe that it was after or during the Vietnam Conflict that Congress passed a law limiting the president from deploying troops overseas for more than 60 days with out the approval of Congress.
Oh yah its great pay to be separated from your family (potentially for years at a time), shot at, work 12 hour days or more frequently
and keep in mind your training is WORTHLESS outside the military.
MP's cant just become licensed Cops without still going to the police academy (and usually atleast 2 years of college to boot),
Your family has to have an apt OR HOUSE, minimum 2 BEDROOM stateside plus you have to have a place where you're at.
This does happen, and you dont get an extra housing allowance for the extra residence. Care to tell me how well paid a soldier is in that scenerio?
Wenceslas wrote:Military.
I was USAF 1978-1982.
I was a Programmer for NORAD. I've only done this new job the USAF trained me in for 22+ years. So I guess military training is worthless.
Some might be - after all not much call for manning civilian owned 155mm howitzers, eh sport?
However - when you are married and in the military - there is one thing you MUST remember: the Military is NOT there to make your family happy, provide for your family, or be a nice 8-5 job.
Sorry, but there it is. The military does have some concessions to married military - I think yer fuckin lucky to get that much.
War changes that completely. Take me, my secondary MOS was Road Toad. I learned to drive front-end loaders, ten-ton dumptrucks, cats, steel-wheel rollers, and (my all time fav) street sweepers. We all had this secondary MOS to take over normal base duties when they deployed the Civil Engineering forces to war zones.
So Whorace (and anyone else), your sob story falls on sympathetic deaf ears. Those people that married a military member had to be a special person to hold together a marriage that the military will try it's best (not deliberately of course) to break. Having children is doubly hard.
But I only hold respect for those that made it work.
None at all for those that expected life to be handed to them on a platter.
Wence you're a programmer, great I'm willing to bet you didnt get the job though without a degree, which is a CIVILIAN document, not a military one.
Direblade wrote:Wence Networking IS my field, its what I'm in school for, so especially in this case I know whereof I speak. Its what I did at my last job, and hopefully will be doing again in a couple weeks. I can tell you, without MCSE, A+, CCNA or a degree, the MOST you will possibly get in a networking environent is Help Desk Technician which if you're lucky pays 15-17 an hour in this area, and HR doesnt give a rat fuck about experience on this one, they care what certs you have and for networking A+, CCNA, and MCSE are still pretty much the standard. you might POSSIBLY get by as a sys admin or network admin after 5 years on help desk IN THAT COMPANY plus whatever previous experience but no degree/certs, but ti will take you atleast that long to prove yourself enough to get a shot.
AS for AMP's you can look up FAA regs. doesnt matter if you did the same job on the same damn aircraft for 20 years in the AF or MC you cant do it as a civilian till you have the civilian cert. - which costs money.
Whorace Powers wrote:As fr the mess hall, yes the soldier/airman/seaman himself can eat there.
DB, is this a new rule? When I was in the Navy, 1995 - 7, immediate family members could eat at the mess hall as well as the enlisted (i.e. wife/husband and kids) They got a little card that they had to show, and they had to go a specific mess hall on the base I was on, but they were fed free as well.
Look at what you get:
1) Your normal salary, doubled if in a hazardous duty
Wendiyenie wrote:
I lived in a skimpy 2 bedroom one bath apartment, not really worth the $600 I paid per month. I got $500 for rent. So, no, I really didn't get free room and board.
Did you need that second bedroom? Could you have found a cheaper place to live?
Could you eat at the cafeteria at your base? If yes, how much did it cost you per meal to eat there?
Wence, I made it through the military without a divorce Very Happy
Let me ask this one last question. How much is your Freedom worth to you? I know right now we are not in imminent danger, but, what if we had China on our doorsteps with tanks and planes and the like? How much would you pay for these guys to be gone?
Direblade wrote:Also keep in mind I was single so I cant speak for wife/kids, only other family members. I never SAW much of wives/kids in the mess hall though
With that being said there's absolutely no difference between an avowed socialist nation with brutal repression tactics controlling me and an illegitimate government, with brutal repression tactics, who has no Supreme legal standard making laws based on their whims; in fact the first may be preferable because at least they're honest enough to tell you what they're gonna do and what they believe. The only difference between the Chinese and Americans is that the Chinese have epicanthic folds, yellow skin, straight hair folicles and are shorter than most Americans.
So, do I want to be ruled by little, yellow people or big, white people - that's really the only choice we have anymore...
Wendiyenie wrote:Heff, I do agree that military personel are not being compensated poorly. I actually loved being there, mainly because of sence of duty, which few have. I am sorry if I misunderstood some of what you said, it just seemed to me what you were saying was negative towards the military. I know intention does not always equal perception. For misunderstanding, I am sorry.
Let me ask this one last question. How much is your Freedom worth to you? I know right now we are not in imminent danger, but, what if we had China on our doorsteps with tanks and planes and the like? How much would you pay for these guys to be gone?
Direblade wrote:Fuck the rich is hardly a socialist statement. The fact is that you're wrong MOST of the rich in this country were born into wealth, their ancestors may have "earned" it, but they temselves have not. Furter more often than not they have gotten rich, or ricer as the case may be, by screwing over the average citizen (witness the gas companies who when their cost rises 20 cents raise their price 50 cents). If they gave a fat damn about the coutry I might not feel that way, but lets face it, they send jobs outside of tis country, lowering their costs, but then turn around and raise prices. They without exception shelter the vast majority of their money to avoid paying a fair share of taxes, and few of them actually do much to try and give back to their country or communities.
Pressto wrote:Direblade wrote:Wence Networking IS my field, its what I'm in school for, so especially in this case I know whereof I speak. Its what I did at my last job, and hopefully will be doing again in a couple weeks. I can tell you, without MCSE, A+, CCNA or a degree, the MOST you will possibly get in a networking environent is Help Desk Technician which if you're lucky pays 15-17 an hour in this area, and HR doesnt give a rat fuck about experience on this one, they care what certs you have and for networking A+, CCNA, and MCSE are still pretty much the standard. you might POSSIBLY get by as a sys admin or network admin after 5 years on help desk IN THAT COMPANY plus whatever previous experience but no degree/certs, but ti will take you atleast that long to prove yourself enough to get a shot.
AS for AMP's you can look up FAA regs. doesnt matter if you did the same job on the same damn aircraft for 20 years in the AF or MC you cant do it as a civilian till you have the civilian cert. - which costs money.
Guess me getting 100k a year without any certifications in the Tech field means nothing to you. (Actually I have a few but never put in a resume or talked about them to get a job) Let me tell you what REALLY matters in the tech field from someone with experience, not just school in it.
The Certificians will get you in the door to most large organization or when working as a consultant. The reason I say that is because you have to get past HR which looks for them to get in the door. Once you have been in the field 3-4+ years certs are not that important. We use to tell the people with MCSE certs great you passed the test now throw most of that out the door and let us show you how it is really done.
Also with the arguement no one cares about military background and they need civilian certs I can also say for a fact that is wrong. Would I rather employ a fresh nosed kid who just got a piece of paper or someone who has a background in the field with years of experience. Again based on all the employers I have worked with we will take background over those cert papers any day.
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