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incest or love your opinions?

Postby Vincecross » March 14th, 2008, 8:07 pm

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/ ... llegal.cnn

Just curious what you all think of this one.
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Postby Pressto » March 14th, 2008, 8:42 pm

Might want to move this to: "Rhen's Politics, Religion and World Events Forum."
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Postby Xanai » March 15th, 2008, 12:20 am

Is it against the law for two people with genetic defects to marry and have children? Is it against the law for two people with STDs (say AIDS or something like that) to marry and have children?

According to some researchers the risk of genetic defect in first-degree (sibling/sibling) relationships is something like 7-31% chance. Interesting facts you may or may not be aware of:

If two people both carry the recessive genes for any of these ailments: Cystic fibrosis, Sickle cell anemia(Also Partial Sickle Cell Anemia), Tay-Sachs disease, Spinal muscular atrophy there is a 25% chance that their child will have it. If two, very normal people with recessive traits for Cystic Fibrosis want to have children will the government of Germany put one of them in jail for three years if they conceive? Similarl if only the woman has an X-linked dominant trait disorder (Hypophosphatemia, Aicardi Syndrome, Chokenflok Syndrome, etc.) then there is a 50% chance she'll pass a genetic disorder on to her child. Are women with that genetic disorder sterilized to prevent them from screwing up society?

Jebus H. Christ, let em' love each other as much as the want abortion is legal in Germany. Apparently it's ok to kill a child, but if you conceive one it better be the picture of health otherwise the Health Nazi's will imprison you.

Geez, the government should stay out of people's bedrooms (Republicans) and bank accounts (Democrats).

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Postby Erilyn Cureheart » March 15th, 2008, 2:51 am

God! *type* *erase* *type* *erase*
I don't know whether to give my opinion on this or not.
Ok ok umm
On one hand, I think it's fine that they have their relationship.
On the other, I don't like the fact that they've subjected their children to disabilities.
Is it against the law for two people with genetic defects to marry and have children? Is it against the law for two people with STDs (say AIDS or something like that) to marry and have children?

So, I look at it this way. I know that there is a potential for me to have another child with Autism. There is that possibility, what the percentage of it is? I don't know. A family who has had a child with Autism is more likely to have another than a family who doesn't have a child with Autism. Would I have another child... yes.
Is my situation any different than a couple with STD's, Genetic Defects or A couple who are brother and sister?


ugh, why did I read this post.
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Postby Vincecross » March 15th, 2008, 3:06 am

I am honestly on the fence. The thought of doing anything with my sister disgusts me, but these 2 people were not brought up as such.... Their perspective is totaly differnt then my own and I do not presume to try to place myself in there circumstance.

Speaking strictly from a scientific standpoint with adoption systems as they are now (most with 0 knowledge of who there parents are) the chances of this just randomly happening with seperated siblings is likely, but they just never find out, did that invalidate there love? I don't think so, but from a familiar perspective I can't help but cringe if i attempted to think of any close family member in a sexual way.
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Postby Xanai » March 15th, 2008, 3:11 am

I'm of the opinion that if you want to have babies and you know that they're likely to have birth defects, but still want to have them / make love / do it - go for it. But don't expect society to pick up the bill if your kid drives you to the poorhouse / insanse asylum because of all the extra work.

There's lots of different people in the world, I don't think the government should be legislating morality unless that's it's explicit purpose (say in a theocracy or something). Germany, as far as I can tell, isn't a Theocracy.

If two people want to have sex, then they should be able. If four people want to have sex, then they should be able. If 11 people (including 2 midgets, 2 dwarfs, 1 parapalygic and a bunch of amputees) want to have sex with a mule, then they should be able to... minus the mule (who can't consent).

Geez, I thought America was supposed to be the Puritanical national neighbor that no one wanted... what about the pure-blood, Aryan nationalists over in Germany...

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Postby Raiinbows » March 15th, 2008, 4:11 am

I agree that government should stay out of the bedroom. I know that if anyone were to badmouth Me about MY choice to have a child knowing that the chances of that child having a birth defect was increased I would sock them in their ignorant heads. I have 2 children with "defects" my daughter Autumnlynn has Hypothyroidism and Cerbral Palsy. The hypothyroidism is Congential meaning she was born with it when we found out she had it we researched our hearts out about it. We found out that the form she has has absolutely NOTHING to do with genetics and every 1 in 4000 babies, whether mom and dad are pefectly healhty or not, are born with hypothryoidism. THe Cerbral Palsy she has was not about genetic either, she got menegitsis at 2 weeks old which caused the Cerebral Palsy. Me and Khaw went on to have 3 more children 1 of which was born with Trismoy 18 AKA Edwards Syndrome, a fatal birth defect. There is no one in either mine or Khaws family that have this "defect". The specialist that did my Lvl 2 Ultrasound when I was 26 weeks pregnant said I had a 1% chance of having a baby with a chromosone defect like Downs Syndrome. Well it is my belief that it's not the babies fault that he has some difficulties and decided to keep the baby and do no more testing as the tests increases chance for miscarriage at which I was already at high risk for. Matthew was born 1 month early on July 24th 2003 he died July 25th 2003. The genetic counslor we saw after his death said that everyone of child bearing age has a 1-2% chance of having a baby with similar defects and now that we had a baby with such a defedct we have a 3-4% chance of having another. me and Khaw bounced between if we should try again or not for a couple years until we decided that we should wait a little longer when I ended up pregnant accidently with Austin. Austin had a few issues at birth but nothing genetic, just complications from the delivery. Right now he is aside from asthma and Eczema a healthy 2yr old.

My point is its impossible for only perfectly healthy people to have children and ban everyone who has a genetic defect from having children. Me and Khaw are both healthy we have no known genetic defects, like the ones mentioned in previous posts,however we have 2 children with "defects". Are we going to have anymore children? no why? because it is an almost positive death sentence for myself and we wouldnt be able to handle the loss of another child. Our 2yr old is a miracle. My uterus was so scarred from Matthews Csection that the Doctors are amazed that Austin was able to "attach" let alone me carry to full term.

I think incest is wrong. However who am I to judge ? If 2 people are comfortable enough with themselves to be together who am I to say they shouldnt be? If those 2 people whether bro/sis girl/girl man/man or whatever want to have a family together who am I to say they shouldn't? I think we all need to just but out of others bedrooms and personal lives. No one is perfect, we all have our secrets, we have all done something we are ashamed of at some point in time so who are we to to say whats right or wrong? I dont know these subjects are a little sensitve for me and i probably shouldnt even have posted but oh well i was bored.LOL

ETA" let me clarify. I think incest is wrong, however in a sitaution where 2 people dont know they are related well goes back to the old say you cant help who you fall in love with.....I guess if I were to find out that i was in a relationship with a family member I'd be a little ewww to continue the relationship.
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Postby Wenceslas » March 15th, 2008, 7:57 am

Sorry to disappoint you all BUT

If you believe in the bible, torah, quran etc etc

Then you already believe in incest.
Because - by golly, Adam and Eve's kiddies all married....WHOM?
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Postby Xanai » March 15th, 2008, 10:59 am

Because - by golly, Adam and Eve's kiddies all married....WHOM?

It really depends upon how you interpret your Bible, Qu'ran, etc. The Hebrew word for man (as in mankind) is... Adam.

However, I don't think you're disappointing anyone because as far as I can tell everyone so far has expressed an opinion in support of the incest couple.

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Postby Parthin » March 15th, 2008, 12:31 pm

I dont care what your religion is, incest is a sick relationship.
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