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Now what, Obama?

Postby Wenceslas » March 15th, 2008, 8:00 am

So.

Mitt Romney gets excoriated for just BEING a Mormon.
Obama gets a Free Pass when his Church AND Pastor are Black Panther - Malcolm X rascists that hate America because it was the rich white folk that created the AIDS virus to kill blacks, it was the rich white folks that keep blacks in the lower social echelons, it's the rich white folk...on and on.

I call Total Bullshit.

Barak Obama: Quit the Presidential Race!!!
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Postby Pressto » March 15th, 2008, 8:47 am

What I love is his comments that while I attended this church for 20 years, I don't agree with a lot of the comments my Preacher made so it is okay.

WTF is all I have to say. Can you imagine if a white person attended a KKK church and said please ignore that it was a KKK church, because I don't agree with many of the comments even though I kept going for 20 years, so give me a pass and don't hold it against me.

Looks like Sen. McCain has a lock on the Presidency right now because the DNC didn't bother to look into the candidates it decided to promote.
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Postby Wenceslas » March 15th, 2008, 9:59 am

Don't forget Pressto: Democrats are oblivious to the obvious.

They will not see this fault as a fault.
They will blithely give Obama a pass, just like they did Slick Willy.
Remember - The toe tapper? He (a republican) resigned in total disgrace for doing NOTHING but toe tapping, certainly was not busted for anything other than that. Remember Trent Lott? Was giving Strom Thurmond (who was older than Byrd is now and supported the same crap) a send off - he's toast (Republican).
1. Clinton FUCKS a broad in the Oval Office and what happened? The Democrats said: "Its ok, he didn't really mean it."
2. William Jefferson -Democrat LA - keeps 90 grand of bribes in his fucking freezer - easily defeated his fellow Democratic opponent in Saturday's runoff, despite an ongoing federal bribery investigation., he must not have meant it either.

The list is long and this is UTTER bullshit.

I Dare any Democrats to talk this one away and not leave shit on themselves.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a liar that admires a racist America hating bastard and still has the asshat on his campaign team.

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Yeah - I'm steamed.
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Re: Now what, Obama?

Postby Xanai » March 15th, 2008, 11:06 am

that hate America because it was the rich white folk that created the AIDS virus to kill blacks, it was the rich white folks that keep blacks in the lower social echelons, it's the rich white folk...on and on.

The quotes I heard today on Rush's show sound pretty outlandish, but I can see where he's going for it.

I've heard similar (though minus the racial rhetoric) from the pulpit of my church: condemning the shrines in Washington D.C., condemning the ceremonial theism of government (one nation under God type stuff), condemning the pluralism of American culture, etc.

If you argument is that the Democrats race-bait and should be held just as liable as everyone else they excoriate then I'm fine with that - it's a quid-pro-quo argument. However, be careful that you begin to argue that a person shouldn't be allowed to make such arguments in the first place (though I don't think anyone has crossed into this yet).

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Postby Wenceslas » March 15th, 2008, 2:00 pm

Didn't say anything about being allowed to say anything - merely that a potential President should not be hanging around a damned church that has a pastor spouting that shit.

A church is only as good as the Pastor leading it and this guy had been that position for 20 years.

It's not just Rush that is leading off on this either.
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Postby Pressto » March 15th, 2008, 6:32 pm

It's not just Rush that is leading off on this either.

No it was ABC that broke the story on this and if you have not viewed it yet I encourage you to because it is shocking.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

I can not believe how many who slamed Romney on his religion see nothing wrong with Sen. Obama's religion. These sermons are ones that were posted on the Church website and I have heard there might even be worst ones then this, but I don't see how anything could be worst then them.

Then we have the follow up this morning and I almost fell out of my chair when I read this laughing. He has been telling the press for a year now how great a spiritial leader Rev. Wright has been and how great his "Christian" church he goes to is, until it gets exposed about what is really said and taught there.

Obama Calls Chicago Pastor’s Statements ‘Inflammatory and Appalling’

Obama, in an interview Friday with FOX News’ Major Garrett, said he has been a member of the church since the early 1990s after working with the congregation as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago.

He was married at Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, had his children baptized by Wright and donated money to the church, but he said he first learned of many of the pastor’s controversial statements only when they were aired in the media in recent days.

“None of these statements were ones I had heard myself personally in the pews,” Obama told FOX News. “Once I saw them I had to be very clear about the fact that these are not statements that I am comfortable with. I reject them completely they are not ones that reflect my values or my ideals.”


Rev. Wright was a personal friend and part of his Presidental campaign, but he says never heard him say anything like this before and he has let him go now. If you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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Postby Pressto » March 15th, 2008, 8:07 pm

Oh here is more coverage of what he preaches.

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ZDZWP5z/wright2

Also if you have not heard about this case I encourage you to read this article.

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story?page=1] Obama: I trusted Rezko
Senator says friend raised more money than previously known[/url]
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Postby Vincecross » March 16th, 2008, 7:30 am

Honestly I have seen those type of sermons in white and black Baptist churches. Thats why I never went back, i thought first time it was just you know 1 pastor, then I saw it again, and again and said ok Baptists are a bunch of screaming your going to hell crazy fuckers.
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Postby Pressto » March 16th, 2008, 9:54 pm

Vincecross wrote:Honestly I have seen those type of sermons in white and black Baptist churches. Thats why I never went back, i thought first time it was just you know 1 pastor, then I saw it again, and again and said ok Baptists are a bunch of screaming your going to hell crazy fuckers.

Correct and the fact you stated you didn't go back is okay, but that is different for Sen. Obama. He has denounced some statements by Rev. Wright, but he has also said he believes fulling in the message his Church teaches and would never leave it. So what is their message?

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


Notice they do not state they are American people, but African people. Also notice in the 10-point vision is their "COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" and not the USA and the fact they list that above "BIBLICAL EDUCATION."

Sen. Obama has gotten a lot of flack for stating he will refuse to wear an American Flag pin and he does not bother to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. Based on what this church teaches I can understand now where this is coming from. He has stated he denounces some statements by Rev. Wright, but not his church because he believes in the overall message it teaches his followers and based on that I don't think he is a good choice for President now. I would not vote for a person coming from a white baptist church with ideas like this either.
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Postby Xanai » March 16th, 2008, 10:22 pm

Didn't say anything about being allowed to say anything - merely that a potential President should not be hanging around a damned church that has a pastor spouting that shit.

That's kinda scary, disqualifying a person because of the church they go to I mean...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably were going to vote for Obama, saw this and then changed your mind right? I think it's safe to say you're dyed-in-the-wool conservative.

However, if you want to vote or not vote for someone I think their religious affiliation should be very, very low on the list and their record in public service should be very high. If we can give Obama a black-eye because of his church's religious views today, then it's not long until any christian won't be able to run for office if they believe in things like: Creationism, man's sinful nature, Jesus is the only way to get to heaven - all of which are part-and-parcel of Orthodox Christianity.

Same goes for Romney, so he's a Mormon? Big whoop. The media has told people this is a story and people are jumping all over it because the media outlets have said to do so - it's like marrionettes dancing.

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Postby Xanai » March 16th, 2008, 10:25 pm

Rev. Wright was a personal friend and part of his Presidental campaign, but he says never heard him say anything like this before and he has let him go now. If you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

There you go, a bonafide way to hate on Obama: for blatantly BS'ing / lying. It's one thing to go after a man's religious views, it's another thing to say: Wow, I didn't know that you had to believe in Jesus to be a Christian! (or something equally outlandish)

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Postby Xanai » March 16th, 2008, 10:37 pm

Wright, but [Obama] has also said he believes fulling in the message his Church teaches and would never leave it.

Source? If that's true, then it might change things some.

Sen. Obama has gotten a lot of flack for stating he will refuse to wear an American Flag pin and he does not bother to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

That's actually becoming more-and-more common in Churches, especially of the Reformed faith. America has fallen very, very far and a pledge to a godless and pagan nation is something that any Christian should have a hard time with. Much like if you asked a 2nd century christian to pledge an oath in the name of the Emperor - you'd get a refusal then as well.

He has stated he denounces some statements by Rev. Wright, but not his church because he believes in the overall message it teaches his followers and based on that I don't think he is a good choice for President now.

People do that all the time. I'm not a nihilist, but I agree with alot of what Sartre wrote. I'm not a hedonist, but I agree with alot of what JS Mill wrote. I'm not a muslim, but I agree with alot of what Gibram. People do stuff like that all the time. To say that you must either agree with a person 100% or denounce them 100% is just rhetorical pandering - no one agrees with anyone 100% of the time.

I would not vote for a person coming from a white baptist church with ideas like this either.

It's sad that you'd vote for a godless athiest because he keeps his crazy views hidden, instead of voting for a church-going member who may be just as crazy but is open about it. While both are afforded the opportunity to practice their religion as they wish by the Constitution, it appears that actually practicing your crazy religion is a hindrance to the effort to engage in public service.

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Postby Wenceslas » March 17th, 2008, 2:31 am

However, if you want to vote or not vote for someone I think their religious affiliation


Nossir, don't go putting this on a religious affiliation...
I don't care about what church the dude goes to.
The church can preach all it wants about hating America and crap but I do NOT want a President that believes that shit.

I do care that Obama soulfully denounces Wright's statements while cheerily admitting to the preaching of the church Wright preaches in.
I do not want an America hating racist for a President no matter what the fuck religion he believes in.

Double Standards do not fly long.
Lying about this kind of shit doesn't either.
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Postby Xanai » March 17th, 2008, 4:24 am

The church can preach all it wants about hating America and crap but I do NOT want a President that believes that shit.

So you say "don't go putting X on his religious affiliation", yet you still want to condemn him for what he believes religiously. Um, ok... Aren't those two things (religious affiliation & religious beliefs) the same thing?

I do care that Obama soulfully denounces Wright's statements while cheerily admitting to the preaching of the church Wright preaches in.

Didn't Obama already do this?

I do not want an America hating racist for a President no matter what the fuck religion he believes in.

Maybe he's not an America hating racist, maybe he's a God loving man - one who places his belief in God over-and-above his national identity. As the Bible puts it "Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." (Rom 12:9)

America isn't infallible.

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Postby Wenceslas » March 17th, 2008, 5:26 am

the same thing?

No, they are not.

Didn't Obama already do this?

Several times. In fact, every time he needed to.

Maybe he's not an America hating racist, maybe he's a God loving man - one who places his belief in God over-and-above his national identity.

Any God that preaches racial hatred is no God in my eyes.
Any preacher that does so is inciting terrorism.

There ARE limits to Free Speech, just read the Constitution sometime.
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Postby Dasselrond » March 17th, 2008, 8:27 am

Wenceslas wrote: Any God that preaches racial hatred is no God in my eyes.


When last I checked, God hasn't done any direct preaching for a very, very long time. Granted, I'm not all that current on my theology being a recovering Catholic, and all, but I'm thinking the last time He actually put in an "appearance" was as the Burning Bush (not G.W., I might add) :wink: .

We can place all the preaching of racial hatred in the mouths of the men and women who have interpreted His words over the courses of millenia ... usually for their own purposes. It doesn't matter what the religion; extremists are what extremists are.

This incident would be exhibit A of that problem.
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Postby Xanai » March 17th, 2008, 9:33 am

No, they are not.

Well, alright then I suppose.

Any God that preaches racial hatred is no God in my eyes.

So that rules out the God of Judaism, Christianity & Islam. (Deut. 7)

Basically you're opposed to any "church" that is Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Well, alright. Apparently it's wrong to hate racism, but ok to hate religions...

Any preacher that does so is inciting terrorism.

Moses the terrorist, that's interesting. St. Paul the racist... sweet. Nothing like condemning the guy who wrote the Torah and the guy who wrote most of the New Testament in one fell swoop.

There ARE limits to Free Speech, just read the Constitution sometime.

Read the Constitution? Wow, you mean I can read it? I've never even seen it or cited from it dozens if not hundreds of times... Where is this con-sti-tu-tion of which you speak?...

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Postby Xanai » March 17th, 2008, 9:42 am

We can place all the preaching of racial hatred in the mouths of the men and women who have interpreted His words over the courses of millenia ...


When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
-- Deut 7:1-2


It goes on to add such gems as:

This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles [b] and burn their idols in the fire.
-- Deut 7:5


But the LORD your God will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. 24 He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them.
-- Deut. 7:23-24


I think it's pretty safe to say no interpretation is necessary there, that's pretty much God (through Moses) telling the Israelites to initiate Genocide on the racial groups that were then inhabiting Palestine.

You can say I reject any such notion, but to do so places you in the moral driver seat; in which case you don't believe the Bible you believe yourself. Which is fine, as long as your honest about it.

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Postby Wenceslas » March 17th, 2008, 10:55 am

Moses the terrorist, that's interesting. St. Paul the racist... sweet. Nothing like condemning the guy who wrote the Torah and the guy who wrote most of the New Testament in one fell swoop.

Yup.

But history is written by the victors.
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Postby Pressto » March 17th, 2008, 6:37 pm

There you go, a bonafide way to hate on Obama

No sorry, but the only haters I know are those extreme liberal people. Dislike and not Trust yes, Hate no.

Rev. Wright on the other hand does is one of those African American preachers who preach hatred and blames all the African American problems on "whitey" and the USA who is keeping the poor black man down. People like him is why racism in this country will never die and one of the major problems I see with the "African American Culture" preaching that it is not their fault they can not get ahead, but to blame the USA, White people or any one but themselves.

I think it's pretty safe to say no interpretation is necessary there, that's pretty much God (through Moses) telling the Israelites to initiate Genocide on the racial groups that were then inhabiting Palestine.

ROFL



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Thanks for the nice laugh. It is too funny when people try to justify crazy racist out there by trying to quote the bible and say this is what it means.
There are thousands of words written in the bible and what matters is which ones you stress and how you interpret those words that you preach to others.

What is sad is Rev. Wright is not unique. I have been in a couple of these black churches and have seen the same type of message preached. I believe it is people like him who are keeping African Americans down in this country, not the USA or White people as he preaches.

Oh and to understand how Sen. Obama is lying when he states he never heard any types of comments in church or personal talks.

From March 5, 2007

Disinvitation by Obama Is Criticized
You can read the whole article, but the highlights are:
Some black leaders are questioning Mr. Obama’s decision to distance his campaign from Mr. Wright because of the campaign’s apparent fear of criticism over Mr. Wright’s teachings, which some say are overly Afrocentric to the point of excluding whites.

Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, said the campaign disinvited Mr. Wright because it did not want the church to face negative attention. Mr. Wright did however, attend the announcement and prayed with Mr. Obama beforehand.


and
Mr. Wright said that in the phone conversation in which Mr. Obama disinvited him from a role in the announcement, Mr. Obama cited an article in Rolling Stone, “The Radical Roots of Barack Obama.”

According to the pastor, Mr. Obama then told him, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”



Yes when this was reported they didn't post the comments at the time to explain this last year, but now with the videos on the Internet it is finally coming to light what this "rough" in sermons is.

Again if you believe Sen. Obama never heard statements like this in his Church or from Rev. Wright I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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Postby Pressto » March 18th, 2008, 1:00 am

Found something interesting. At the same time he was telling Rev. Wright he needs to distance himself it looks like his Church changed their about webpage. Lucky web archive had a cache of it.

http://web.archive.org/web/200604112049 ... /about.htm

It seems this whole section was deleted now.

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.


but they still have a link to this "Black Value System" on their website and I encourage you to read it because you might be shocked on what their ideas and values on this are, especially on the "Disavow pursuit of the Middle Class."

http://www.tucc.org/scholarship_pdf/bla ... system.pdf

Yes, this reaffirms my opinion about the racist teachings at this church and again for Sen. Obama to claim he never heard or knew about it before is a lie. WTF is all I have to say for Sen. Obama to not know and understand these facts would come out once he started running for the President of the United States.
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Postby Wenceslas » March 18th, 2008, 2:42 am

For the most part - it has fine ideals.
The parts about being captives and kept in socio-economic situations to keep blacks in jail and killing each other off is rather....racist.

Actually without adding the racist "Black this" or "Black that" it would be a great ethics system for nearly anybody.

But it's poisoned because the people teaching it are poisoned.
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Postby Graal » March 18th, 2008, 5:26 am

So you say "don't go putting X on his religious affiliation", yet you still want to condemn him for what he believes religiously. Um, ok... Aren't those two things (religious affiliation & religious beliefs) the same thing?


It isn't his religion, it is his close affiliation with someone who has extreme political views. You can call it "what he believes religiously" all you like, but it doesn't change things.

If some other candidate was member of a church and close friends of a preacher where the preacher's sermons frequently demonized and called blacks the "enemy", railed about how the contrails from airplanes are actually "chemtrails" - a deliberate plot by the government to kill whites, damned the very society they lived in for allowing blacks to get too "uppity", gave an "achievement" award to David Duke for his views on "race relations", regularly preached White Nationalism, and hoped that the evil j00s in Isreal would just do us all a favor and die already ...I don't think you would be quite so sanguine about categorizing them as simply "religious" beliefs that shouldn't even be considered in deciding whether to support a candidate, especially if that candidate had written a book in which he specifically stated that he had looked at many different churches and pastors and finally settled on this one because he agreed with the political stance of the pastor. Now imagine that this church has a list of the things it believes titled "White Value System" that includes:

Commitment to the White Community
Commitment to the White Family
Adherence to the White work ethic
Disavowel of the pursuit of "middleclassedness" -(that's religious?)
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.


There is a very big difference between the phrase "commitment to the community" and "commitment to the black community" or "Commitement to the white community". The first phrase is inclusive, the other 2 are not.

You can continue to claim to argue that these are simply "religious" beliefs that should not in any way be a criterion for judging a political candidate...just don't be surprised when people take you for a crank.
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Postby Xanai » March 18th, 2008, 10:06 pm

Thanks for the nice laugh. It is too funny when people try to justify crazy racist out there by trying to quote the bible and say this is what it means.

Well, I'm glad I could tickle your funny bone. Let's do some more funny scriptures that clearly don't talk about Genocide...

This is what the LORD of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.
Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.'"
-- 1 Sam. 15:2-3


That doesn't sound like Genocide at all. Surely it means something else. Other hilarious verses...

[The Israelites] utterly destroyed everything in the city (Jericho), both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
--Joshua 6:21


In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.
-- Deut. 20:16-17


Yeah, it's a regular laugh-o-rama when God instructs his chosen people to place seven nations / races under the Ban (herem)

There are thousands of words written in the bible and what matters is which ones you stress and how you interpret those words that you preach to others.

I'm glad that's what your church teaches you to say / believe that, however it would stand in diametric opposition to Orthodox Christianity which says things like:

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
-- 2 Tim. 3:16-17


It doesn't say "some scripture" or "the nice scriptures" or "the scriptures which allow us to be tolerant of other people," it says all. So laugh if you want, but just be aware you stand outside the Orthodox community of Christianity.

What is sad is Rev. Wright is not unique. I have been in a couple of these black churches and have seen the same type of message preached. I believe it is people like him who are keeping African Americans down in this country, not the USA or White people as he preaches.

What's keeping poor people down is the fact that we've created a permanent underclass of citizens when we started giving people something for nothing. In fact, this keeps all people down. It holds back the producers, it props up the consumers - it strangles society.

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Postby Fosters » March 18th, 2008, 10:17 pm

Xanai wrote:
Thanks for the nice laugh. It is too funny when people try to justify crazy racist out there by trying to quote the bible and say this is what it means.

Well, I'm glad I could tickle your funny bone. Let's do some more funny scriptures that clearly don't talk about Genocide...

This is what the LORD of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.
Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.'"
-- 1 Sam. 15:2-3


That doesn't sound like Genocide at all. Surely it means something else. Other hilarious verses...

[The Israelites] utterly destroyed everything in the city (Jericho), both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.
--Joshua 6:21


In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.
-- Deut. 20:16-17


Yeah, it's a regular laugh-o-rama when God instructs his chosen people to place seven nations / races under the Ban (herem)

There are thousands of words written in the bible and what matters is which ones you stress and how you interpret those words that you preach to others.

I'm glad that's what your church teaches you to say / believe that, however it would stand in diametric opposition to Orthodox Christianity which says things like:

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
-- 2 Tim. 3:16-17


It doesn't say "some scripture" or "the nice scriptures" or "the scriptures which allow us to be tolerant of other people," it says all. So laugh if you want, but just be aware you stand outside the Orthodox community of Christianity.

What is sad is Rev. Wright is not unique. I have been in a couple of these black churches and have seen the same type of message preached. I believe it is people like him who are keeping African Americans down in this country, not the USA or White people as he preaches.

What's keeping poor people down is the fact that we've created a permanent underclass of citizens when we started giving people something for nothing. In fact, this keeps all people down. It holds back the producers, it props up the consumers - it strangles society.

Xanai


They say it's the white man I should fear, but it's my own kind doing all the killing here

- Tupac

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