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Postby Auricas » July 11th, 2008, 2:24 pm

So, Iran tried flexing its international muscles a few days ago by launching some missles that have the ability to reach Israel. Iran may also (arguably) have nuclear weapons capability pretty soon. Secretary of State Rice recently pledged US support for Israel should it be attacked.

This leaves two options: Israel plays the "wait and see" game and risks getting a nuke dropped in their lap. Or, Israel and/or the US launch a preemptive strike to make that impossible. Either way, it probably means war, with US participation.

I'm curious where everybody stands on this issue. I'm still on the fence; I haven't really followed the whole Iran situation very much except for the occasional Ahmedinijad (sp) quote about wiping Israel off the map.
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Postby Parthin » July 11th, 2008, 9:59 pm

The quote about wiping Israel off the map is a mistranslation. The missle launch photo was retouched to cover up the fact that one of the missiles failed, lol. I dont want us to attack Iran because I think it would make things worse. 8)
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Postby Erilyn Cureheart » July 11th, 2008, 11:04 pm

I shouldn't post... I shouldn't... I've got to much bitterness in all of this. I'd like to say "You know what, just blow the *beepin BeepS OFF the Face Of the BLEEPIN PLANET!" But I don't believe in that, I think if anything is going to happen it will be the whole "wait and see" The BASTARDS are just putting out there "See look what we have, look what we can do." Whoopie! Gee wilickers aren't we impressed! YA NOT SO MUCH!
I just want it to stop, by any means necessary. Then again I don't. GRRR!!! GOD DAMN IT!
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Postby Auricas » July 12th, 2008, 1:10 am

Parthin wrote:The quote about wiping Israel off the map is a mistranslation. The missle launch photo was retouched to cover up the fact that one of the missiles failed, lol. I dont want us to attack Iran because I think it would make things worse. 8)


Haha, I didn't know the missle footage was edited. Still though, if one of them failed, then the other was successful, right?

Loon, I am in the same exact situation. I don't know what to think.
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Postby moogg » July 12th, 2008, 1:13 am

imo were fucked either way...
1. we help Israel, play a big part in yet another middle east war further increasing hatered for the US over there.
2. we dont help Israel and lose them as an ally.

i think we just need to bow out of all foriegn issues for a while, i mean these people are adults, why do we allways have to get involved?
we are so dependant on others atm that we have given them the ability for a newish form of terrorism. first there was terrorism, then cyber terrorism, now were gonna see global energy terrorism. they will just stop sending oil to the us and well see 10$+ gas prices, huge lines at what gas stations actually have gas. all our food producers are moving operations out of the US, our consumer products are made elsewhere, we've shiped jobs overseas ... we need to just stop all that shit! push new auto technology at home so we can keep our energy needs domastic, solar, wind, hydro, its not like we dont have forms of energy here, we just need a reason to go out there and get it done (hell, GM was working on electric cars in the 80's and that got killed by the oil industry which is why Japan started looking into those kinds of technologies and look now, Honda and Toyota cant make enough Hybrids to keep up w/ demand.).
and if we dont start focusing on building up our econmy were soon to be the old big kid on the block, replaced by China, India, Japan ... imo fuck everyone else! we have so many issues to deal with here at home that we shouldnt be spending so much time, energy, money in other contries. slumping housing market, unemployment, education, farming, manufacturing, law, why were killing eachother (i think we have the biggest homacide rate in the world .. why???) .. so much to work on here at home, we should be spending time and money to correct our issues, not the issues of contries half way around the world.
and while im on this rant ... FUCK BUSH! WMD .. omg we need to invade Iraq cause they have WMD .. how many thousands of dead teen and early 20's Americans have died for that lie??? why arent we impeaching Bush? Clinton lied about getting a blow job (or whatever) .. who fucking cares? Bush has sent thousands to thier deaths for a lie (not to mention the 100's of thousands of civilians in Iraq that have died), why isnt he held accountable for that?

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Postby Pressto » July 12th, 2008, 2:29 am

My belief is that Iran is going to get a nuke and try to use it. This I believe is the only thing that can happen which will make people take them seriously it seems, so let it happen I say. Maybe then the UN will actually then wake up and do something after the fact. :-=)
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Postby Jorelora » July 12th, 2008, 6:05 am

I'd like to see us stay out of Iran till we are somewhat done in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are overextended and broke and frankly can't afford as a nation what will happen if Iran cuts off oil to OPEC. They barely have working missiles and are mostly grandstanding at this point. Its kind of like the North Korea situation. We didn't rush off into war with them and its mostly fizzled out now for the moment. Long term? Anything could happen. But whoever is elected the next President had better do something to fix this lousy economy before they start dashing off to involve us in another war.
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Postby Tykog » July 13th, 2008, 5:21 am

none of it would matter if the US would just stay out of every ones business in the first place

it was us (cia and all that) who gave everyone weapons and taught them how to use it all in the first place, then we go and take a side, then we go and help the other side because we didnt like how it was going, blah blah blah blah, its no wonder none of them like the US
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Postby Auricas » July 14th, 2008, 5:16 am

And if the US abandons its ally, Israel, that is going to improve relations with the rest of the world? When America becomes known as a country that won't keep its word, nothing good can come of that.
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Postby Wenceslas » July 14th, 2008, 5:46 am

1. we help Israel, play a big part in yet another middle east war further increasing hatered for the US over there.

Iranian PEOPLE don't hate us
Iraqi's certainly do not hate us.
2. we dont help Israel and lose them as an ally.

Israel knows that will back up anything they do - we are the backstop for Israel. God knows they'll do a better job of fucking up the nuke sites anyway
i think we just need to bow out of all foriegn issues for a while, i mean these people are adults, why do we allways have to get involved?

Because, like it or not, we ARE the worlds ONLY superpower.
"With greater powers comes greater responsibilities".
Have you SEEN the UN in action?
You couldn't possibly state that if you did.
we are so dependant on others atm that we have given them the ability for a newish form of terrorism. first there was terrorism, then cyber terrorism, now were gonna see global energy terrorism. they will just stop sending oil to the us and well see 10$+ gas prices, huge lines at what gas stations actually have gas.

Who was it that refuses to find our OWN oil?
Grab a mirror for easy viewing...
all our food producers are moving operations out of the US, our consumer products are made elsewhere, we've shiped jobs overseas ...

Man, that is SO old saw, false, erroneous - because it does NOT paint the WHOLE picture.
we need to just stop all that shit! push new auto technology at home so we can keep our energy needs domastic, solar, wind, hydro, its not like we dont have forms of energy here, we just need a reason to go out there and get it done (hell, GM was working on electric cars in the 80's and that got killed by the oil industry which is why Japan started looking into those kinds of technologies and look now, Honda and Toyota cant make enough Hybrids to keep up w/ demand.).
and if we dont start focusing on building up our econmy were soon to be the old big kid on the block, replaced by China, India, Japan ... imo fuck

Hate to tell ya - but our economy, even in a slowdown (not a recession!!!) we STILL kick everyones ass.
everyone else! we have so many issues to deal with here at home that we shouldnt be spending so much time, energy, money in other contries. slumping housing market, unemployment, education, farming, manufacturing, law, why were killing eachother (i think we have the biggest homacide rate in the world .. why???) .. so much to work on here at home, we should be spending time and money to correct our issues, not the issues of contries half way around the world.
and while im on this rant ... FUCK BUSH! WMD .. omg we need to invade Iraq cause they have WMD .. how many thousands of dead teen and early 20's Americans have died for that lie??? why arent we impeaching Bush? Clinton lied about getting a blow job (or whatever) .. who fucking cares? Bush has sent thousands to thier deaths for a lie (not to mention the 100's of thousands of civilians in Iraq that have died), why isnt he held accountable for that?

Bush won't be held accountable ecept b y those who do not understand.
I know you've read other threads in this forum to actually HAVE the facts presented that contrdict Every Fucking One of the leftist talking points. And here you are - reading their playbook again like it actually means something.

Those 4,000 dead soldiers were not all teens.
About 700 were killed in accidents, not war related, even tho they are in a war zone.

Every Fucking One of those teens VOLUNTEERED and RE-UPPED.

Bush IS accountable. Have you seen Iraq today, and not thru those doom and gloom blinders the MSM paints either.
You dumb bastards are lucky we had Bush after 9/11 -
9/11 caused us to go after bin Laden.
Saddam violated openly every goddamned resolution that the powerless UN passed. Every goddamned government and intelligence service pointed out that Iraq had WMD's, ask the 50,000 kurds that died in the Sarin gas attack. Or ask yourself why we just airlifted several thousand pounds of yellowcake out of IRAQ. This is the same fucking yellowcake the Brits told us that Saddam had and Bush added one sentence to the Attacking Iraq speech. This is the same yellowcake the fucking leftists were saying that Bush BUSH lied about. That's just fucking amazing that the lefties are so brazen about lying.
Let's talk about people lying and our kids dying.
What about those nifty CIA and Intelligence LEAKS?
Those I am talking about GAVE the enemy information on HOW TO KILL OUT GUYS AND WHERE!
This you're not concerned about?

Fucking Hypocrits. Those goddamned people should be shot for High Treason.

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Postby Bigfatbino » July 17th, 2008, 1:24 am

I think if Iran Nukes Israel, then strategic nuclear weapons should be used against every city in Iran...Since Iran would be doing it in the name of Allah probably, I'd also nuke Mecca and Medina for good measure.

If Israel attacks Iran, I'd give em all the air support they could ask for.

Overall, it's world war 3 already, people just don't want to recognize it.
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Postby Cuin » July 17th, 2008, 8:41 am

Because, like it or not, we ARE the worlds ONLY superpower.


That explains why China has enough US dollars in its reserves to inflict as much economic havoc as a major war should they decide to flood the market one day. All without firing a shot.
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Postby Cuin » July 17th, 2008, 8:45 am

I think if Iran Nukes Israel, then strategic nuclear weapons should be used against every city in Iran...Since Iran would be doing it in the name of Allah probably, I'd also nuke Mecca and Medina for good measure.


Allow me to quote from Starship Troopers. You might have missed it on the Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps Official Reading List:

"If you wanted to
teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off?"
"Why . . . no, sir!"
"Of course not. You’d paddle it. There can be circumstances when it’s just as foolish to hit an enemy city
with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an ax. War is not violence and killing, pure and
simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government’s
decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him . . . but to make him do
what you want him to do. Not killing . . . but controlled and purposeful violence.
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Postby Pulgrey » July 18th, 2008, 8:37 am

I think... we ought to stop sending money out to every tom dick and harry coutry inthe world who ISNT helping us with our current war efforts or supporting our country , and invest that money into putting jobs BACK in the US.

Ford and GM are buildingmore plants OUTSIDE the US while they are shutting down plant sin the US.... on the other hand Toyota and Honda are building new ones INSIDE the us. HELLO!!

And , while my phones been off for a while so sorry , I am not on the party line ( hah! ) I still believe average joe American blue collar worker is having a hardeer time of it now then 10-15 , even 20 years ago thanks to jobs moving OUT and illegals moving IN.

Whats that got to do with Iran? War is expensive and frankly , no matter which way they go we will be involved. We as a nation need to start better looking out for number 1 more often , and insuring that OUR allies are supporting us , or stop sending THEM support to better fund our war effort and domestic issues.

The war on terror SHOULD be a global effort to stomp out , anything less is allowing the crockroaches to hide until they can crawl out someplace else
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Postby Wenceslas » July 19th, 2008, 2:52 am

Plants will continue to move out as our help is little overpriced.
That's the market working.
Plants moving here from other countries is the same reason in reverse, not only that - we have the workforce so very little training involved.
That's my guess...

As far as the rest of the planet, they are wallowing too deep in self-pity and self-importance to pay attention to the important things. Thus England and the Netherlands become Islamic nations before their sleepy citizens wake up and notice. When that happens who do you think they will ask for help?
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Postby Graal » July 30th, 2008, 3:59 am

Ford and GM are buildingmore plants OUTSIDE the US while they are shutting down plant sin the US.... on the other hand Toyota and Honda are building new ones INSIDE the us. HELLO!!


The answer is staring you in the face: UAW.

Toyota and Honda are building factories that employ non union workers. GM and Ford can't do that. Consequently, labor costs for Ford and GM are much higher for their factories here in the US than the labor costs of Toyota and Honda. It's that simple. The UAW has priced its workers out of a job.
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Postby Pulgrey » July 30th, 2008, 4:59 am

and yet , the benefits and wages are often on par with union standards..... some are even better ( whch is what keeps the UAW out , no incentive to join =P )

imagine that!

The UAW ( along with most every other union , like the airline industry for instance ....link.... well most of them. Some actually give a damn about thier workers ) have been taking major cuts to help companies stay solvent and keep jobs. Amazingly though , the cuts have not been hitting exec's/CEO/management nearly as hard if at all..... heck the CEO of GM got a pay raise that nearly doubled his pay. Way to put the I in TEAM !!
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Postby Pressto » August 6th, 2008, 5:11 am

The UAW ( along with most every other union , like the airline industry for instance .... link .... well most of them. Some actually give a damn about thier workers )

The UAW could give a rats ass about it's workers and only cares about the dues it gets. Your link to prove who cares about workers was a non-union person taking a pay cut, not that the union cares about workers any more.

Unions use to have requirements and trial periods to join and become a member when it use to mean something when they stated "Union Made" 30-40 years ago.

Go to http://www.uaw.org/constitution/index.cfm and tell me anywhere that talks about training and requirements for members now?

More specifically go to http://www.uaw.org/constitution/article06.cfm and show me anywhere in the membership requirements that you need ANY skills any more.

Heck, go to any Union site and show me any training program a single one has now unlike they use. Union dues use to fund these programs and now instead they go 100% to fund political donations and agendas instead.
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Postby Wenceslas » August 7th, 2008, 2:11 am

Hiajcked thread - Unions are not Iran!!

But maybe Baroque Obozo might think so: Take a look at this amazing note what this hairbrained no-nothing thinks on Iran:
For some time I have been trying to make the case that Barack Obama doesn't know much about anything except how to win friends and influence people, and that he doesn't know what he's talking about. See, for example, the columns "The Kennedy-Khruschev conference for dummies" and "Anti-terror oops." In short, Obama is a bs artist. He is an extraordinary specimen, perhaps approaching the great American type of confidence man explored in literature by Herman Melville, Mark Twain, William Faulkner and Ralph Ellison.

In "Emperor Obama's new clothes," James Lewis invokes Hans Christian Andersen to explore the same phenomenon. Lewis does a good job with "one little example." He writes:

On May 19 Senator Obama proclaimed Iran to be just "a tiny country." That's a tiny country with seventy million people, half of it covered with mountains that you can tunnel under for your nuclear hidey holes. A half-million men in the army plus the fanatical martyrs of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, a domestic terror apparatus to keep the people down, a growing nuclear and missile program, enough oil to finance it all, a strategic position at the head and the tiny choke-point of the Persian Gulf, a long, long imperial tradition, and an Islamofascist suicide ideology, thanks to Jimmy Carter's good friend Ayatollah Khomeini. The regime of this tiny country had a habit of sending hundreds of young boys to blow up mine fields with their bodies, wearing green plastic "Keys to Paradise" around their necks. It controls the "Shiite Crescent" from Lebanon to the Gulf using its powerful alliance with Syria and Hezb'allah, supplied by our good friends the Russians and Chinese. The regime has a habit of blowing up American soldiers in Iraq with state-of-the-art shaped-charge explosives. Iran has performed high-altitude missile tests that could only be used to set off a nuclear EMP explosion, designed to cripple any modern nation by zapping its electrical and communication grids. It's just a "tiny threat," said Obama --- until his staff told him that wasn't quite right, and he quickly changed his tune.

Obama's recommendation of the tire gauge and the tune-up to make up for the oil we would otherwise extract from areas in which drilling is currently prohibited is more of the same, though on this point his staff hasn't gotten to him and he hasn't changed his tune. Jake Tapper and Jim Geraghty find Obama reiterating his praise of the tire gauage as the overlooked remedy for our energy crisis yesterday. (What about tune-ups? Maybe his staff did say something to him.) In addition to his advocacy of tire inflation, Obama castigated his critics as "ignorant." Name-calling is the last refuge of a bs artist.
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